iteratedextras:
the-grey-tribe:
anexperimentallife:
I think there’s a case to be made for “you’re overreacting” in 2016. Some people really were overreacting in 2016. Trump 2 is really different from Trump 1. If you said in 2016 “Trump will bomb Iran”, is it a vindication of what you said in 2016 that he bombed Iran in 2025 and 2026?
As for knowing it would get that bad, it’s not like he made a secret out of what he intended to do if re-elected. There was a way of knowing it would get this bad in 2023.
All this depends on what the person said in 2016, because some people really were overreacting.
I think “Trump will bomb Iran” counts as a prediction if it’s from an account like yours of bambamramfan, but not from either of the accounts quoted in the above tweets.
Those of us who know history and have good pattern recognition, and especially those of us who were raised around evangelicals, have known all this was the plan since at least the 1960s–yes, including sweeping wars in the Middle East with Israel at the center (part of their plan is for all Jews to return to Israel and die there to hasten the return of Jesus). And we also saw that 2015 was our last real chance to stop it.
Trump is not the disease itself; Trump is simultaneously a symptom, a tool, and a vector of infection.
I can personally attest to evangelicals in the 1960s and 1970s laying out their multi-generational plans to systematically take over any and all positions of authority they could–with no position too small or inconsequential–from dog catcher to city treasurer to sheriff to anything else they could get. They laid out plans to raise their children to infiltrate law enforcement and the military (both of which were already compromised) so that they could ensure “the right people” rose to positions of authority.
In the 1970s, after losing on segregation, they started pushing “abortion is murder” as a new rallying cry, inventing the myth of “promiscuous” women using abortion as their only form of birth control and having multiple abortions a year, as well as the myths of “partial birth” and “post-birth” abortions.
Reagan then threw in with them wholeheartedly to get their votes, which handed them their dream of being a major political force that both main parties bent over backwards to appease. He and his allies also created the myth of the fictional “welfare queen” who had child after child to get more and more government benefits. First as governor of California, then as president, Reagan gutted programs to help the poor while cutting the taxes of the rich, while evangelicals cheered him on.
You see where I’m going with this. I could go on all the way to present day, but the point is this: We didn’t predict what was coming on the basis of Trump alone, or even on the basis of Project 2025 alone. We predicted it based on watching what far right “Christians” had been OPENLY planning for decades, watching their progress towards their goals, and matching up their patterns with previous authoritarian regimes–most notably the Nazis of 1930s-1940s Germany.
The Nazis had studied many other authoritarian regimes and practices, especially–but not exclusively–US race laws, and combined and refined them to the point at which the US far right is now looking to them for inspiration and guidance, and is pretty doggedly following their playbook with just a few variations. (The Nazis were quite popular in the US even in the 1930s, BTW.)
Remember that in his masterwork “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45 (comprising in most part interviews with various rank-and-file Nazis after WWII), by Jewish journalist Milton Mayer, the unnamed professor says:
"In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or 'You’re seeing things’ or 'You’re an alarmist.’
"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.”
The difference, however, is that unlike Germans in the early 1930s, we had the example of German fascism to look back on, so no, we weren’t being alarmist at all. We could analyze point by point and compare with history to see exactly where this was going, and what it would lead to if not stopped in its tracks.
We also laid out exactly how to stop it. But for the most part we were told, like Sinclair Lewis’ book title, “It can’t happen here.”
And that disbelief, those “alarmist” accusations–or more precisely the wishful thinking and refusal to look at facts behind those–are WHY it’s happening.